Crazy-looking new deep-sea creatures

"An ocean without its unnamed monsters would be like a completely dreamless sleep."
John Steinbeck

From Wired

Ten new possible species could change everything about the way we think about deep-sea life in the Atlantic Ocean.

Most of the creatures are so strange, it is hard to know which direction they swim or where their mouths are.

The images were captured by researchers from the University of Aberdeen during more than 300 hours of diving with a remotely operated vehicle between 2,300 feet and 12,000 feet deep along the Mid-Atlantic Ridge, the largest mountain range on Earth, which runs down the center of the Atlantic Ocean between Europe and Africa on the east and the Americas on the west.

Three of the species, which look like colorful wavy worms, belong to a group of creatures called Enteropneust, which is believed to be the evolutionary link between backbone and invertebrate animals. Previously only a few specimens of the group, from the Pacific Ocean, were known to science.

“They have no eyes, no obvious sense organs or brain but there is a head end, tail end and the primitive body plan of backboned animals is established,” said Monty Priede, one of the lead researchers on the project, part of the Census of Marine Life.

One of the most surprising observations by the researchers was how different the species are on either side of the Mid-Atlantic Ridge, just tens of miles apart. “[The two sides of the ridge are] mirror images of each other,” Priede said. “but that is where the similarity ended.”

“It seemed like we were in a scene from Alice Through the Looking Glass,” Pried said. “This expedition has revolutionized our thinking about deep-sea life in the Atlantic Ocean. It shows that we cannot just study what lives around the edges of the ocean and ignore the vast array of animals living on the slopes and valleys in the middle of the ocean.”

Links :

• Toronto Sun : New creatures found off Newfoundland coast
• BBC News / DailyMail : New sea creatures found on Barrier Reef
  

Respect : round the world solo non-stop without assistance, on a sailing boat of 6.5

I had to go there.

It was a sort of mystic conviction - something in the nature of a call.
But it was difficult to state intelligibly the grounds of this belief to that man of rigorous logic...
Joseph Conrad, The mirror of the sea

From OceanExplorers

Franco-Italian Alessandro Di Benedetto has spent the last 268 days circumnavigating the world in a 6.5 meter yacht solo. The last part, the whole Atlantic, of it with a jury rig.

Alessandro Di Benedetto arrived in Les Sables d’Olonne, France on Thursday July 22nd, where he started nearly nine months ago. Hundreds of friends, family and followers had gathered to meet the solo sailor.

It was really fantastic for me. It was a dream I've always thought was feasible. However, there are plenty of people told me I was crazy and that I would die, Alessandro said when he finally could set his feet on shore again.


The boat he used, though modified, is by no means designed for a world circumnavigation. The 6.5 meter long boat is designed for fast solo sailing over the Atlantic in warm down wind. Not for sailing in house high waves in the harsh Southern Ocean conditions. But the 40 year old solo sailor managed to control both his boat and himself during the 24,000 miles nonstop and without assistance.

It’s a first for such a small boat.
His record, as the smallest boat to complete a circumnavigation in such a time, have been approved by the World Speed Sailing Record Council (WSSRC). The official time is 268 days, 19 hours, 36 minutes and 12 seconds as the official time.

"Keeps going anyway"
The accomplishment becomes even bigger when considering that the Franco-Italian sailor dismasted just before rounding Cape Horn. He made a jury rig and after some thinking decided to carry on to Les Sables d’Olonne. That’s seamanship and persistence few can do after him.
The distance under jury rig alone must be close to a world record in jury rigged sailing--if such a category exists.

Alessandro had rather lofty goals for his project which range beyond simply being the 'first' to achieve something. In his words (from his website) some of the aims of the project were :

• to accomplish a unique feat which would be recognized as World Record.
• to be ambassador and international testimonial for sponsors taking part into the event.
• to contribute to the scientific research in several fields (renewable energy, environment protection, medical researches, new technologies, clothing, materials).
• to promote extraordinary experience to be shared with people from different cultures in order to make them feel citizens of the world.
• to be a source of inspiration and motivation for children and young people and to educate them to consider themselves citizens of the world in order to sustain the protection of both natural and artistic earth heritage, with special regard to the next generations.

Links :

• Other circumnavigations
• Alain Maignan solo RTW in a Jeanneau Sun Rise 34 (2007)
• Jacques Riguidel solo RTW, without assistance, sithout motors, without fossil fuel, in harmony with ocean with 'Fréquence Jazz' 9,7 m (2008)
  

Sailboat struck by breaching whale

"We were on the boat and we saw the whale coming out, and we saw it. It's legitimate -- it hasn't been Photoshopped."

From CapeArgus

A breaching whale has crash-landed on a sailboat in Table Bay, narrowly missing the vessel's occupants and leaving in its wake bits of blubber and thick skin.

This picture shows the southern right whale seconds before its massive body landed on the coach roof of the boat, flattening the steel mast and bringing down the rigging before sliding back into the water and disappearing into the distance.

"It was quite scary," said Paloma Werner, who had been out sailing with her boyfriend and business partner, Ralph Mothes, of the Cape Town Sailing Academy.
"We thought the whale was going to go under the boat and come up on the other side. We thought it would see us." But the boat had its engine turned off.

Meredith Thornton, scientist and manager of the Cape Town Mammal Research Institute at the University of Pretoria, said: "Whales don't see much by way of their eyes but by sound in the water."
Between the whale's poor eyesight and low visibility in the water, Thornton said the whale, which she believed to be young, probably did not know the boat was in its way.

The couple first saw the whale when it was about 100m away. It breached once and, before they knew it, the whale was a mere 10m from their yacht.
"There was hardly any wind, so we couldn't get out of the way," said Werner. "We didn't have time to take any evasive action."

The yacht, a 10m training boat called Intrepid, is made of steel and did not suffer any structural damage. "If it had been a fibreglass boat it would have been sunk, so we were lucky," said Werner.

The whale was seen pounding its tail on the surface of the water just moments before breaching.
"It looked like it was angry or something," said Joseph Mbaya, a sailor and tour guide for Yacoob Tourism. He had stopped his boat, Ameera, just 300m short of the whale to take photographs.

Thornton said the whale had not been angry, but was probably "lob-tailing" in order to communicate with other whales.
"If a whale wanted to be aggressive it would side-swipe the boat with its tail," she said.

Two people from Botswana were on Ameera with Mbaya.
One of the tourists, who Mbaya knew only as James, captured the moment on his camera just before the whale hit the boat.
James gave a copy of the picture to Mbaya as a keepsake and the tour guide brought it to the Cape Argus.

After the incident, Mothes and Werner surveyed the damage to their yacht.
"The first thing we did was make sure there was no water downstairs. We didn't know if the whale was coming back," said Werner.
The couple were contacted by other concerned sailors who had seen the accident, but they were fine.

Werner and Mothes then reported the accident to Port Control.
The couple managed to turn the engine on and made it back to the marina without assistance.
They docked the boat and folded the crumpled sails, asking for help only to move the damaged mast.
Thornton said the whale was probably not badly injured.
"It's definitely very badly bruised, but probably did not break anything," she said. "It's definitely feeling it today."
Thornton said southern right whales could reach up to 15m and could weigh up to 60 tons. They can be seen year-round near the Cape, but are more prevalent at this time of year.

They come here to breed," said Thornton. "It's a regular occurrence in winter months."
According to Thornton, the population of the southern right whale was healthy and growing steadily.
"I think this is something that is going to happen more and more, because the number of whales in South African waters is increasing at the biological maximum, which is 7.5 percent each year."
"There are also more and more people using the whales' environment (for) swimming and boating."

Werner said the shock of the accident had not hit her until she finally sat down at the end of the day. But she remained upbeat.
"It gives a whole new meaning to having a whale of a time," she joked.

CBS Evening News with Katie Couric shared the above video on Thursday, offering proof that a southern right whale did, indeed, jump out of the water on Sunday and crash onto the sailboat of a couple sailing off the coast of Cape Town, South Africa.
There has been some speculation that perhaps the image posted Wednesday on Outposts as well as on numerous other websites had been Photoshopped.

"It is definitely legitimate," Paloma Werner, who had been out sailing with her boyfriend and business partner, Ralph Mothes of the Cape Town Sailing Academy, told Matt Lauer Thursday

The couple have been speaking publicly about their ordeal.
"I never for a minute thought this thing would hit the boat," Mothes added when speaking with Lauer. "Blow me down, suddenly I saw this huge monster shape come up out of the water on my port side and yeah, that's it. I mean, it just happened in an instant. It was quite frightening."

Officials from the local Department of Environmental Affairs have launched an investigation into the incident after several people came forward to say the boaters had broken the law by approaching the whale and that the 33-foot, 40-ton mammal was provoked into the attack.

Antarctica traced from space

From NASA

Antarctica may not be the world's largest landmass -- it's the fifth-largest continent -- but resting on top of that land is the world's largest ice sheet. That ice holds more than 60 percent of Earth's fresh water and carries the potential to significantly raise sea level. The continent is losing ice to the sea, and scientists want to know how much.

Antarctica's ice generally flows from the middle of the continent toward the edge, dipping toward the sea before lifting back up and floating. The point where ice separates from land is called the "grounding line." For scientists, an accurate map of the grounding line is a first step toward a complete calculation of how much ice the continent is losing.

Such a map is a primary objective of the Antarctic Surface Accumulation and Ice Discharge (ASAID) project. Researchers from NASA's Goddard Space Flight Center in Greenbelt, Md., led a team that used high-resolution satellite images, along with newly developed computer software, to trace the most accurate Antarctic grounding line ever compiled.

"This project has been a major achievement to come from the International Polar Year," said Robert Bindschadler, a cryosphere scientist based at Goddard who presented his team's work in June at the International Polar Year Oslo Science Conference. "This project included young scientists, it was an international effort, and it produced freely available data -- all from satellites."

Much public attention has been focused on the Arctic, where ice loss is accelerating. Antarctica, however, is also steadily losing ice. NASA satellites have shown ice losses around the entire continent, with pronounced changes in the northern region around the Antarctic Peninsula. The most significant changes are likely to occur at the intersection of the ocean and the ice sheets.

At what rate is Antarctica's ice is lost to the ocean? It's a tricky question because of Antarctica's immense scale. Previously, researchers calculated the speed of outflow from 33 of Antarctica's biggest outlet glaciers, but that accounts for just half of what is lost, as outlet glaciers makes up only 5 percent of the coastline.

The rest of the coastline might lose ice through icebergs that calve off from outlet glaciers or over land cliffs. Sometimes ice flows gently from glaciers that extend far into the ocean as floating ice shelves or skinnier ice tongues. In other cases, the ice never reaches the ocean at all.

To draw the new grounding line, the team of NASA and international scientists worked with a mosaic of high-resolution images of the continent from the Landsat 7 satellite. Using software developed by Goddard's Hyeungu Choi, the team collated and mapped points from previously mapped lines, high-resolution imagery, and some new information about surface elevation.

"Completion of this line was huge, as we connected 3.5 million geographic points around the continent," said Goddard's Amy Wichlacz, who popped a cork in celebration after eight months of meticulously connecting the dots.

The team found that the grounding line around the edge of the ice sheet follows a winding path 53,610 kilometers (~33,312 miles) long. The high-resolution imagery makes the new map more precise than previous assessments of grounding lines, which sometimes mistakenly included shadows and islands as part of the continental landmass.

The next step is to use satellite elevation data from ICESat to determine the ice thickness near the grounding line.

The new map and elevation data, along with thickness information (once complete), will be turned over to the National Snow and Ice Data Center in Boulder, Colo. Knowing where ice leaves the land, combined with the thickness of ice in the vicinity and speed of the ice, allows scientists to calculate how much ice is being lost.

Links :

• ASAID: Antarctic Surface Accumulation and Ice Discharge
• Landsat Image Mosaic of Antarctica
• NASA : New map of Antarctica's icy edge
  
• ScienceDaily : Oceanographers Call for More Ocean Observing in Antarctica
  

The oceans are in the Cloud

Riveting hydrographic innovations set the pace for change elsewhere

From Shipcrunch_5956n by Ryan Skinner

Read this, from Peio Elissalde of the little French geo-informatics outfit Marine GeoGarage: "[We're ushering in] a new era of nautical mapping services with the launch of a marine charts portal built on cloud computing technology."

It's probably the first time I've seen the "cloud computing" buzzword in the marine world.
What is cloud computing?
Basically, you plug into the information and services you want wherever you have Internet access.
All those things that you used to find on your hard drive or your company's proprietary servers?
Now they're in the cloud - huge server clusters run by the likes of Amazon, Microsoft, Google or IBM.

The crazy idea Marine GeoGarage had was to give marine chart users an online account, from which they can access the latest updated charts from a number of international hydrographic services.
The way Marine GeoGarage builds the chart views for users, and how users interact with them, uses cloud computing technology.

Elissalde put it best: "You don't own charts anymore, just use them and share them anytime, anywhere you are via computer, mobile phone or any other Internet device." Google Maps for mariners, in other words.

Meanwhile, another guy named Tim Thornton of TeamSurv has a complementary idea.
They want to crowdsource hydrographic data.
How?
If you put some sensors on any commercial ship or leisure craft to record depth and such, and gather this data based on its location, you have the foundation for making and updating marine charts. Imagine a hydrographic service with thousands of ships creating a firehose of new data, instead of a couple ships with multi-beam echo sounders mowing the proverbial oceanic lawn.

It's not too great a stretch to imagine TeamSurv feeding hydrographic data into the cloud, with hydrographic offices providing norms and quality certification, so suppliers like Marine GeoGarage can package value-added services.
Yes, both companies are initially focusing on the light marine market; that's where much of our innovation comes from.
In fact, there's every reason to believe the above model resembles the future.
Some chart suppliers are preparing themselves for a future a lot like this.

What can the rest of the industry learn from this example?
Anyone who can scale services worldwide around a core pool of data or functions, and fashion it into a subscription model service, for example, would be wise to explore a cloud model. Brokers, box-ship operators, even component suppliers, could exploit this.
What if you could log in to your vessel from any Internet connection and pull down real-time operating data, with comparisons to similar plants?

The core idea is turning what used to be assets that you had to own and maintain into services you basically rent.
Software's an obvious candidate.
Hardware and infrastructure will follow.
For one client, we held a workshop positing "Propulsion as a Service".
Cloud propulsion may be a bridge too far, but it gets minds racing.

For nerds interested in the full online chat between me and Elissalde of Marine GeoGarage, just click through:

[5/28/10 3:02:37 PM] redwood.skinner: Hi Peio!

[5/28/10 3:03:37 PM] redwood.skinner: Are you there?

[5/28/10 3:04:21 PM] Peio Elissalde: Hello Ryan

[5/28/10 3:04:33 PM] Peio Elissalde: Yes I'm ready to discuss with you

[5/28/10 3:04:38 PM] redwood.skinner: Right. I'll just fire away then

[5/28/10 3:05:05 PM] redwood.skinner: First question: who is this product meant for exactly?

[5/28/10 3:05:50 PM] Peio Elissalde: At firts, our website is dedicated to any sailor or mariner who plans to study his next trip at sea, comfortably installed at home.

[5/28/10 3:06:18 PM] redwood.skinner: in other words, primarily leisure craft sailors?

[5/28/10 3:06:55 PM] Peio Elissalde: Yes but we are not racists : so any mariner is welcome

[5/28/10 3:07:40 PM] redwood.skinner: ok. do i understand correctly that access to many charts is free, with access to others (chart premium) at a cost?

[5/28/10 3:08:33 PM] Peio Elissalde: Yes some Hydrographic Services (UKHO, CHS, AHS..) don't intend to display their charts publicly.

[5/28/10 3:09:04 PM] Peio Elissalde: So we provide a 'private' access via some monthly subscription. The reason is because Marine GeoGarage is required to royalty fee to display them online.

[5/28/10 3:09:19 PM] redwood.skinner: how does the 9.9 EUR/month fee stand up to competitors' offers?

[5/28/10 3:10:01 PM] Peio Elissalde: You mean comparatively to official WMS servers from the Hydrographic Services ?

[5/28/10 3:10:12 PM] redwood.skinner: for example.

[5/28/10 3:10:43 PM] Peio Elissalde: Do you know other web services ?

[5/28/10 3:11:03 PM] redwood.skinner: no.

[5/28/10 3:11:53 PM] Peio Elissalde: That's the reason why I haven't set this price comparatively to professional WMS access. The purpose is not the same.

[5/28/10 3:12:47 PM] Peio Elissalde: But as we are a pioneer in matter of nautical charts display online, difficult to imagine what is the real price of the market.

[5/28/10 3:13:07 PM] redwood.skinner: OK. you mentioned Cloud computing technology and then GeoGarage servers. Is the data "in the cloud" or on your servers? Can you help me understand this?

[5/28/10 3:15:07 PM] Peio Elissalde: That's exact there is some difference between classical client/server and Cloud Technology.

[5/28/10 3:15:58 PM] redwood.skinner: OK, but what about your service is in the cloud, so to speak?

[5/28/10 3:17:26 PM] Peio Elissalde: The Cloud computing part of the service provides some resources in back-end to ensure regular processes for updating the charts. And the ressources we use are dynamically scalable for accepting more chart data for example or future additional web services.

[5/28/10 3:18:34 PM] redwood.skinner: So it looks to me like you're laying HOs raster charts over a Google Earth presentation, and then allowing some manipulation. Is that it?

[5/28/10 3:18:40 PM] Peio Elissalde: What Marine GeoGarage changes is the concept of nautical electronic charts viewing:

you don't "own" anymore the charts, just "use" them and share them, anytime, anywhere you are via computer, mobile phone or any other Internet enabled personal device.

[5/28/10 3:18:56 PM] Peio Elissalde: Not Google Earth : Google Maps

[5/28/10 3:19:21 PM] redwood.skinner: Right. What kind of user numbers are you seeing so far?

[5/28/10 3:19:24 PM] Peio Elissalde: Google Earth is a stand-alone application, Google maps is the application accessible with some web browser.

[5/28/10 3:20:39 PM] Peio Elissalde: The web has just started at the beginning of March so 3 months old.

[5/28/10 3:21:25 PM] Peio Elissalde: But Marine GeoGarage is also the next step of our previous app : http://demo.geogarage.com/noaa

[5/28/10 3:21:52 PM] redwood.skinner: OK. And what kind of usership did you see from that app?

[5/28/10 3:22:07 PM] Peio Elissalde: Today we have between 500 and 1000 users which visits the website (mainly from the US because of the previous website)

[5/28/10 3:23:03 PM] redwood.skinner: what's the business plan, exactly? where does GeoGarage plan to make its revenue?

[5/28/10 3:23:07 PM] Peio Elissalde: We have not push a lot regarding communication for the marine press for the moment because we prefer to study the increasing of the charge.

[5/28/10 3:23:44 PM] Peio Elissalde: Marine GeoGarage uses a Freemium business model -mix of ad supported and subscription-, offering these Web services (described above) for free while charging a Chart Premium for accessing to certain nautical charts layers and certain privileges.

[5/28/10 3:24:29 PM] Peio Elissalde: The other wy to earn money is the Mobile side : we have just released the first iPad/iPhone application for New Zealand.

[5/28/10 3:25:22 PM] Peio Elissalde: In the future, we plan to add other web services such as tides, hight-resolution weather forecasts, vessel tracking...

[5/28/10 3:25:47 PM] redwood.skinner: Interesting. So you get a little mark-up from the fee-based charts. Would you prefer these charts go free (to increase usership) or prefer them stay on a royalty basis so you have that revenue stream?

[5/28/10 3:26:21 PM] Peio Elissalde: Personnally, I would prefer that all charts go to free.

[5/28/10 3:27:19 PM] Peio Elissalde: I guess this is a way among other to struggle against nautical maps piracy onboard, proposing up-to-date charts for the user.

[5/28/10 3:28:26 PM] redwood.skinner: how exactly does the machinery work? i mean, you have the google maps as API presumably, then how do you put the raster charts over them? Are you buying licenses, then hosting on own server and presenting? Or is the machine calling up the chart from (for example) NOAA as people access it through GeoGarage? How's this work?

[5/28/10 3:31:10 PM] Peio Elissalde: Actually, we have done some analysis about how Google stores and displays their charts in Google Maps. So we are using the same process to build some multi-resolution image pyramids (Tile Map Service)

[5/28/10 3:31:40 PM] redwood.skinner: ???

[5/28/10 3:31:42 PM] Peio Elissalde: Actually, our tile map server is composed of a static set of tiles, each one having a size of 256 pixels x 256 pixels. These small and regularly sized tiles form together on a screen a partial visual representation of some area at different levels of scale.

[5/28/10 3:33:32 PM] Peio Elissalde: Only the tiles needed to display the area currently on the screen are transported over the network.

The client/server communication is fast because the system is deterministic: all the tiles have been pre-generated so there is not any ‘on the fly’ calculation process such as in the WMS server (Web Map Service) which returns a section of a map based on the request with specified geographic coordinates.

All the tiles are prepared in advance for a fixed area in fixed zoom levels, so they are immediately available (no waiting as in the case of dynamically generated WMS requests).

[5/28/10 3:33:50 PM] Peio Elissalde: So the tiles are pre-generated instead of per-user way (WMS case).

[5/28/10 3:34:54 PM] redwood.skinner: would that mean that you are uploading the HO charts and updates onto your servers, then these are presented on the Google Maps infrastructure (as you say, pre-generated)?

[5/28/10 3:35:30 PM] Peio Elissalde: Yes exactly in the same way.

[5/28/10 3:35:59 PM] redwood.skinner: I guess there's no way you're going to do the same thing with vector charts?

[5/28/10 3:37:19 PM] Peio Elissalde: But today I'm not sure Google is rendering the tiles in a pre-generation way but certainly on the fly using cache on their big servers.

[5/28/10 3:37:38 PM] Peio Elissalde: You mean with ENC ?

[5/28/10 3:37:45 PM] redwood.skinner: Yes.

[5/28/10 3:39:00 PM] Peio Elissalde: Yes we have already done this with all the NOAA ENC but for technical reasons we are obliged to render the vector charts in raster.

[5/28/10 3:39:15 PM] redwood.skinner: files too large?

[5/28/10 3:40:16 PM] Peio Elissalde: The problem is that thz s-52 presentation norm (used in ECDIS) is not the best way for displaying charts on the web : http://blog.geogarage.com/2010/02/what-about-enc-and-marine-geogarage.html

[5/28/10 3:40:40 PM] Peio Elissalde: No this is only a problem of presentation.

[5/28/10 3:42:01 PM] redwood.skinner: OK. New question: You have deals with NOAA, UKHO, etc. What's preventing you from signing up with all the HOs from Oman to Croatia, Japan and Chile? Time and trouble? Contracting? Expense?

[5/28/10 3:42:07 PM] Peio Elissalde: The other issue is exceptly NOAA and UKHO all the other Hydrographic Services consider that the ENC data is only for ECDIS.

[5/28/10 3:43:01 PM] Peio Elissalde: So distributed by Primar in s-63 encryted format for registered ECS or ECDIS.

[5/28/10 3:43:20 PM] Peio Elissalde: Good question.

[5/28/10 3:43:44 PM] Peio Elissalde: Actually different situations :

[5/28/10 3:44:11 PM] Peio Elissalde: - some HS have not any georeferenced maps... So no way for us

[5/28/10 3:44:59 PM] Peio Elissalde: - some HS service have some entrance ticket too expensive for our small business

[5/28/10 3:45:46 PM] Peio Elissalde: - some HS service haven't study the possibility to distribute charts for web/mobile applications. So they need to study that on a legal form and a commercial form.

[5/28/10 3:46:50 PM] Peio Elissalde: - some Hydrographic Services have signed bilateral agreement (for example with UKHO) : so we are waiting for their agreement to get the raster charts corresponding to their geographical area but UKHO stamped

[5/28/10 3:47:24 PM] redwood.skinner: Have you gotten any interest from traditional chart suppliers, who might want to buy you and add you on to their own service portfolio? Or do they all just see you as competition?

[5/28/10 3:48:00 PM] Peio Elissalde: But we continue to push to get more charts (Australian charts will certainly be the next)

[5/28/10 3:48:59 PM] Peio Elissalde: To buy us ?

[5/28/10 3:49:57 PM] redwood.skinner: Yes, as a home/office route planning interface, for example. I'm thinking about industrial users here.

[5/28/10 3:50:49 PM] Peio Elissalde: No for the moment, we try to establish some links with companies involving selling charts on paper or CD

[5/28/10 3:51:54 PM] redwood.skinner: when did you guys start up with this whole business?

[5/28/10 3:52:21 PM] Peio Elissalde: Another idea (totally different) would be you use our nautical chart website (and its growing number of users) as a marketing tool to promote their charts.

The idea would be that a 'specific seller' layer is proposed to our users showing all your charts with a direct link to your website for purchasing CDs and paper charts.

(such as Amazon Associates Program)

So we could organize some Affiliate program in order we make money by advertizing 'specific seller' products :

- we advertise 'specific seller' products on our charts portal (viewing the charts online, the user exactly knows what he buys in CDs and paper charts from the 'specific seller')

- people follow the links to 'specific seller' website

- we earn up to xx% in referrals when our users concretely buy their products

[5/28/10 3:53:43 PM] redwood.skinner: OK. Like a shopping mall of sorts.

[5/28/10 3:54:55 PM] Peio Elissalde: Actually I worked since 1986 in Electronic Marine Navigation (I started in 1986 with MaxSea), then I develop with my associate Loic (an other former member of MaxSea) the first 3D seafloor mapping software in 1998.

[5/28/10 3:55:55 PM] Peio Elissalde: Actually our goal is to host all the nautical charts in the world (like Google Maps is doing for land maps and aerial/satellite imagery).

[5/28/10 3:57:05 PM] redwood.skinner: A single source of supply for all nautical chart needs (except ENC)? Something like that?

[5/28/10 3:57:49 PM] Peio Elissalde: Not supply but only viewing.

[5/28/10 3:58:23 PM] Peio Elissalde: I guess the vector data which is the future of e-navigation is also concerned.

[5/28/10 3:58:40 PM] redwood.skinner: Right, viewing, with immediate access to the supply.

[5/28/10 3:59:12 PM] redwood.skinner: I didn't understand the e-navigation statement. what did you mean?

[5/28/10 3:59:41 PM] Peio Elissalde: But Hydrographic Services must change their mind concerning the availability of ENC for web/mobile applications.

[5/28/10 4:00:27 PM] redwood.skinner: You mean it would be good to allow viewing of ENCs AND raster charts with the full functionality at Marine GeoGarage.

[5/28/10 4:00:57 PM] Peio Elissalde: I refer to the tem 'a la mode' of E-navigation http://www.imo.org/safety/mainframe.asp?topic_id=1369

[5/28/10 4:01:54 PM] redwood.skinner: yes, yes, it's a concept I'm familiar with, even if the whole thing's a bit mysterious

[5/28/10 4:02:04 PM] Peio Elissalde: Yes both ENC and raster, and in some years when the catalogue of charts will be full only ENC

[5/28/10 4:02:58 PM] redwood.skinner: OK, Peio. This has been good. I appreciate you taking the time. And I believe this may make an interesting post for the blog. I will also start following marine geogarage's blog. Interesting stuff for those interested in charts.

[5/28/10 4:03:15 PM] redwood.skinner: Have a nice weekend!

[5/28/10 4:03:25 PM] Peio Elissalde: Thanks.